James Loewen Chapter 5
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Eva Milenewicz:
Hi
[Message #2]
Eva Milenewicz:
Did you guys read chapter 5
[Message #3]
Amy Lawlor:
hello
[Message #4]
cecilia ellington:
did u read
[Message #5]
EMMA JIMENEZ:
I read the first few pages, but the chapter is really long. I thought it was full of a lot of information. what did you guys think?
[Message #6]
Eva Milenewicz:
No, but I'm trying to read it now, its about how history seems to be racist
[Message #7]
cecilia ellington:
its ok to far....this whole book in general has a lot of good info
[Message #8]
cecilia ellington:
do u think that true? history being racist
[Message #9]
Eva Milenewicz:
I don't know, Im kinda skeptical
[Message #10]
cecilia ellington:
the book or the chapter?
[Message #11]
cecilia ellington:
or both
[Message #12]
Eva Milenewicz:
the chapter
[Message #13]
EMMA JIMENEZ:
I think that he points out how race is part of our pop culture wether people like it or not. Have you guys seen the pictures?
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cecilia ellington:
well i think it is to a certain extent......because like when i took history i dont really recall too much history talkin about other races and stuff...u know
[Message #15]
cecilia ellington:
like i really only had one teacher for history that would not really treach to much out of the book b/c he thought is was kinda dumb basically
[Message #16]
EMMA JIMENEZ:
on page 155 there's the song that's supposed to be like Yankee Doodle, when the author said he trys to get his students to sing along and the white ones refuse to. I thought that was intresting.
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Eva Milenewicz:
Yeah, what always frusterated me was how the "whites" always acted so much more superior to every other race, im white myself and I hated the fact they were like that
[Message #18]
Mauricio Urias:
One of the main points that Loewen is impliyng is that he wants students to realize that the discrimination against African Americans during and after the nadir was national, not just Southern. States in the North were also segregated.
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
I was just about to point that out, b/c I always thought of the North as being the good side and the south as the bad side. In books, they depict as southern people as more racist, but I guess not. It's been everywhere.
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Eva Milenewicz:
Oh, thanks for telling us, that's a good point
[Message #21]
cecilia ellington:
yea thats true but in the history books we never really heard about that part.....
[Message #22]
Amy Lawlor:
why not?
[Message #23]
EMMA JIMENEZ:
I've never read or watched Gone With The Wind, so I don't really understand why this chapter is called that. Does anybody know?
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Eva Milenewicz:
The book says because it's all about race relations
[Message #25]
Eva Milenewicz:
but i've never watched it either
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cecilia ellington:
i think we never heard about it b/c the south was always known to be white against black....most of the stuff happened down there like the marches and stuff with Martin Luther King JR
[Message #27]
cecilia ellington:
well thats what i think anyway....
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
Oh, and the story has racism in it? I don't know. Now I'm curious. Anyway, I noticed how the author mentions that some history books, in order to excuse the South, they make it seem as though slavery wasn't a reason for the Civil War even though it really was. Kind of like an excuse for their behavior in the war. But in high school, I remember knowing that slavery was part of the reason because our textbook was newer. I had a good teacher too.
[Message #29]
Eva Milenewicz:
Yeah I remember hearing alot about Martin Luther King, I always thought he was a neat guy, I even remember doing a report on him in middle school
[Message #30]
Amy Lawlor:
you guys should watch Gone With the Wind--it's a classic. I don't think you need to have seen/read it to get Loewen's point, but it would give you more context.
[Message #31]
Eva Milenewicz:
ok
[Message #32]
cecilia ellington:
i think a lot of history books in genereal put upa front to make it seem like America is the best place to be if u are different anything.....race or whatever
[Message #33]
cecilia ellington:
cuz all that stuff that happened nobody is really around to tell the whole truth
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Eva Milenewicz:
yeah well that is kinda true, America is one of the best places to live, where their is not as much discrimination
[Message #35]
EMMA JIMENEZ:
Yeah, like the book mentions, slavery is over but racism isn't. I think America is better than other places, but I don't think we're superior or more civilized.
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cecilia ellington:
i think some of that stuff they put in there is to sugar coat everything....but the thing is all the stuff that hapened say with the civil rights was nothing u could sugar coat especially if u were black
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
People can still feel hate towards someone, but they just can't show it by discriminating
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
I wonder if textbooks are different depending on what region of the US you live. I'm sure southern states don't want to make themselves look bad.
[Message #39]
cecilia ellington:
yea thats true America is probobly the best place to live but what im sayin is that u really dont know that unless u come here and see it for yourself.....done get me wrong its a whole lot better now then it was but its always goin to be out there
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Eva Milenewicz:
The thing history fails to mention is not all whites hated blacks and blacks didn't especially like the whites
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Mauricio Urias:
How about our old President Woodrow Wilson and how he was openly hostile towards black people. There are many schools named after him.
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Eva Milenewicz:
Well he was stupid
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
yeah, i went to one. i knew nothing about him going there, but now i do.
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
We just name schools after presidents for the sake of tradition.
[Message #45]
Eva Milenewicz:
bye now have a great day
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Mauricio Urias:
If you were African American, would you feel comfortable attending a school named after him knowing his open racism.
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cecilia ellington:
bye have a nice day
[Message #48]
Eva Milenewicz:
no
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EMMA JIMENEZ:
take care guys!
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Amy Lawlor:
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