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[Message #1]
Azran Ashroff:
yo
[Message #2]
James Reclus:
how did I get you in my group
[Message #3]
Rico Sandriana:
oi
[Message #4]
Azran Ashroff:
cause i smart as a mo fo
[Message #5]
James Reclus:
You know that what you just typed is not gramatically correct
[Message #6]
Azran Ashroff:
oi what the hell is that?
[Message #7]
Rico Sandriana:
it's a another way of saying sup
[Message #8]
Azran Ashroff:
now i know dawg. thanks
[Message #9]
Rico Sandriana:
so what did you guys do your analysis on?
[Message #10]
James Reclus:
the movie Pleasantville and the Howard Stern radio show
[Message #11]
Rico Sandriana:
that's good more original stuff
[Message #12]
Rico Sandriana:
I did mines on maxim and cosmo because of last semester
[Message #13]
James Reclus:
I just thought about what she was asking and these where the most obvious things
for me to talk about
[Message #14]
Rico Sandriana:
have you guys start on your essay?
[Message #15]
Azran Ashroff:
yeah part of it
[Message #16]
Rico Sandriana:
that's good I wish I was like that I'm so freakin lazy these days hehe no
motivation
[Message #17]
James Reclus:
Not yet, but we should probably start discussing the question she gave us last
time for homework so that we can have a good idea of how to start our essays
[Message #18]
Azran Ashroff:
no much alcohal huh?
[Message #19]
Azran Ashroff:
thats true james
[Message #20]
James Reclus:
Anyway, how do you feel gender roles and social class have been portrayed in
what ever cultural text you chose to write about
[Message #21]
Azran Ashroff:
okay as for the essay questions i am doing p.290 the 1st one i think. as for
gender roles in beauty and the beast it reall portrays how women can be "nice"
and respected even if they end up with a guy like beast, and as for society now,
people who are ugly tend to get the bad reputation, and beauty and the beast i
feel is trying to help people in general to get out that mindset that ugly
people are evil
[Message #22]
Rico Sandriana:
true, these days it seems like personalities do not matter anymore, it's more
about the looks
[Message #23]
Azran Ashroff:
yup THATS CORRECT
[Message #24]
Azran Ashroff:
i mean looks dont hurt but they can be as evil as ugliness
[Message #25]
James Reclus:
Pleasantville:
Beginning: (black and white)
-Woman stayed at home and took care of the house work and the children.
-Men were the typical bread winners and expected the wife to be subserviant or
submissive to their will.
-The kicker was that the women were expected to enjoy being dominated and even
if they were not happy they were not suppose to voice their opinion.
After: (color)
-Women wanted to get outside of the house, they realized there was more to their
world than just home life.
-Men were slow to change, which meant that they still expected the women to do
what they had always done.
-the children took on a more rebelious nature and started doing things that were
originally taboo.
[Message #26]
James Reclus:
Azran, wrong assignment!
[Message #27]
Rico Sandriana:
I guess I should watch the movie
[Message #28]
Azran Ashroff:
yes sir
[Message #29]
Azran Ashroff:
pleastville is a show? or a movie?
[Message #30]
Rico Sandriana:
a movie
[Message #31]
James Reclus:
As for my second cultural text topic, I chose the Howard Stern radio show for
the most obvious reasons.
-The main topics presented on the show are male oriented, which is a little hard
to understand because one of Howard Stern's co-hosts is a female, Robyn
[Message #32]
Amy Lawlor:
keep in mind the adjustments to the essay question--
[Message #33]
Azran Ashroff:
what views are dominant is that men usually take control of EVERTHING, and women
try to fight for thier share.
[Message #34]
James Reclus:
It would appear that Howard Stern take the stereotypical role of the dominant
male and makes it into something even more degrading towards women.
[Message #35]
James Reclus:
That is true, but in what cultural text are you referring to?
[Message #36]
Azran Ashroff:
yeah howard stern is very male dominant and i think he trys to make women feel
"stupid"
[Message #37]
Azran Ashroff:
to yours.
[Message #38]
Rico Sandriana:
even magazines such as, Maxim portrays women's only job is to pleasure men
[Message #39]
Azran Ashroff:
but thier are other magazines that have men's job to pleasure women too
[Message #40]
Rico Sandriana:
and in Cosmopolitan, (women's magazine) it's practically the same things, it's
about how to pleasure men the right way
[Message #41]
James Reclus:
That is true, sorry but I just wanted ot complete my thought...
It would appear that the women that do go on the Hoard Stern show voluntarily
subject themselves to these stereotypes. They play into them by taking on the
role of the submissive female and allow the dominant male present, Stern, do
with them as he will. He has them do just about anything and the women just
think of it as a normal thing.
[Message #42]
James Reclus:
For those magazines, if they are meant to be read by women then they will
display the male point of view as something that does not matter; however, if it
is a male oriented magazine they will do the exact same thing and take the
female point of view and do with it as they please
[Message #43]
Azran Ashroff:
like those muslcle magaines, it is pretty mch for a man to get the idea that all
women like them bodies they see, i aint get no complaints yet, so its just their
to have men feel that all women care about muscular bodies which i dont think is
true. And about your howard stern analysis thats very true. becuase all the
women that come on those types of shows are expected to be around male dominant,
and in general we think society is trying to have us portray women as everything
is normal when it is male dominant
[Message #44]
James Reclus:
It is something most of these magazines do in order to draw in a certain type of
reader. The male oriented magazines will take topics that interest men as well
as take some of the more mainstream stereotypes about women and put it all
together into an article. Just the same, the female oriented magazines take
things that would interest women, like fashion or sex talk, and put those into
articles. The thing that gets me is that they think they are taking the opposite
sex and playing on the stereotypes for that sex, but what is really happening is
that they are playing right into the steroetypical roles that are already in
place for themselves. What this means is that men play into the stereotypical
male roles while women play into the stereotypical roles of women during today's
day and age.
[Message #45]
Azran Ashroff:
the reaosn they take opposite sex is we all want to know what the opposite sex
would think of a certain situation. we can never get enough of that. its just
the way life is.
[Message #46]
Rico Sandriana:
the term "sex sells"
[Message #47]
Azran Ashroff:
so in the essay how do you guys think we should approach the topics. in your own
opinion?
[Message #48]
James Reclus:
Exactly, but I do not think they are trying to hide the fact that everything is
male dominated, but rather are just going along with that already set belief.
People think that things have changed and I am happy to say that some things
have changed for the better; however, most of the things that were said to have
changed (i.e., equal opportunity for men and women, more rights for women and
people of minorities, etc) has not really changed. Only the way in which they
are viewed has changed. Take for instance the working women. Before women were
expected to stay at home and take care of the children and do their household
duties, but now women go to work along side men. That may seem like a great
thing, but women are still being stereotyped. they are given the less demanding
jobs and made to do things a servant would do, like getting coffee or typing out
report after report after report.
[Message #49]
James Reclus:
sorry, the topic I wrote above is for one of the previous statements Azran made.
[Message #50]
Azran Ashroff:
more of a gets striaght to the dominant point of view in society today , and try
to compare it to beauty and the beast or speak more of basic issues amongst us
everyday life, give stats about dominant proceedings and compare it to beauty
and the beast.
[Message #51]
Azran Ashroff:
i know mr.reclues i wasnt stealing your thaught co-worker
[Message #52]
Rico Sandriana:
well nice chatting with you guys and thanks for the ideas, good luck on your
essay
[Message #53]
James Reclus:
it depends on what topic you chose, the first one or the second one. For the
first one you are suppose to take what we learned about gender roles in the
different Beauty and the Beast stories and compare it to some cultural text in
our own lives. For the second one we are to take what we learned about social
class from the different Beauty and the Beast stories and compare them to the
social class structure of today. Basically, which ever topic you chose to write
about, we have to compare and contrast what was in one or more of the Beauty and
the Beast stories with some cultural text that is in our lives today.
[Message #54]
Amy Lawlor:
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