[Message #2]
Nikki Santiago:
wassup fruit bat!

[Message #3]
Amy Lawlor:
What is the importance of language in the poem?

[Message #4]
Nikki Santiago:
so, guys who else is in here?

[Message #5]
Nikki Santiago:
is there just two of us?

[Message #6]
hazel levita:
hello

[Message #7]
JC Edralin:
i feel that the language gives the reader a descriptive visual on what's going on

[Message #8]
hazel levita:
my tummy's grumbling, if you hear grumbling it's me,. hehe

[Message #9]
JC Edralin:
sweet....

[Message #10]
Nikki Santiago:
hehehe... i had mickey dees

[Message #11]
JC Edralin:
but back to the poem

[Message #12]
hazel levita:
which language is she talking about? the diction or the whole conflict with the language thing?

[Message #13]
JC Edralin:
the language of the poem itself

[Message #14]
JC Edralin:
wait yeah...hold up

[Message #15]
JC Edralin:
which language is prof. lawlor talking about? is it importance of speaking your native tongue, or language in general?

[Message #16]
hazel levita:
i dunno

[Message #17]
JC Edralin:
so i guess she said the language in the story

[Message #18]
Nikki Santiago:
so what is the importance of language in this poem?

[Message #19]
hazel levita:
yup,.

[Message #20]
Nikki Santiago:
do you guys speak tagalog?

[Message #21]
Nikki Santiago:
or any vernacular/dialect of the philippines?

[Message #22]
hazel levita:
ok well i took it as they learned to just be quiet

[Message #23]
hazel levita:
yea

[Message #24]
JC Edralin:
i feel that the language is crucial to the poem...it is the what the poem's souls about

[Message #25]
JC Edralin:
do je sai

[Message #26]
JC Edralin:
oh my bad....speaking cantonese

[Message #27]
hazel levita:
i used to go to montessori and they used to make us pay wen we speak tagalog or make us squat in a corner with our arms up in front of us

[Message #28]
hazel levita:
what did u say?

[Message #29]
Nikki Santiago:
which montessori?

[Message #30]
Nikki Santiago:
did you go to school in the philippines?

[Message #31]
candice bernardino:
i'm in this group.. hehe finally

[Message #32]
JC Edralin:
langauge is all about change and to comform

[Message #33]
hazel levita:
yea,. i went to mondrian montessori

[Message #34]
JC Edralin:
i mean..in relation to the poem

[Message #35]
Nikki Santiago:
do you guys think that this poem is set in the united states?  or the philippines?

[Message #36]
Kristina Gregorio:
i'm hungry

[Message #37]
hazel levita:
philippines

[Message #38]
Nikki Santiago:
where's mondrian montessori?

[Message #39]
hazel levita:
olongapo

[Message #40]
JC Edralin:
philippines possibly, this could have happened when the missions came and tried to educate the people.

[Message #41]
JC Edralin:
actually nix that...goldilocks didn't exist yet

[Message #42]
hazel levita:
no,.i think they still do this some places

[Message #43]
Nikki Santiago:
really?  my cousins used grew up in olongapo... JC- i think you're right... or maybe right after the japanese invasion or sometime before that...

[Message #44]
JC Edralin:
has to be in the philippines, cause they don't do punishment here in mainland

[Message #45]
Nikki Santiago:
true dat...

[Message #46]
hazel levita:
no actually i think there are some schools here that still does corporal punishment

[Message #47]
hazel levita:
they're private schools tho

[Message #48]
JC Edralin:
yeah...but it's more controlled though

[Message #49]
hazel levita:
true

[Message #50]
JC Edralin:
don't get a chalk eraser thrown at your face.

[Message #51]
Nikki Santiago:
i think it's pretty recent... i don't suppose the "brothers" were speaking to each other in spanish...

[Message #52]
JC Edralin:
yeah.. probable

[Message #53]
JC Edralin:
Jacinto is kinda counting-off though

[Message #54]
hazel levita:
i dunno,. i saw this some sort of oppression where if you cant speak english then just dont say anything at all

[Message #55]
hazel levita:
huh?

[Message #56]
JC Edralin:
picture it like this.

[Message #57]
Nikki Santiago:
what do you mean jc?

[Message #58]
candice bernardino:
hello

[Message #59]
candice bernardino:
hi

[Message #60]
candice bernardino:
hi

[Message #61]
candice bernardino:
hi

[Message #62]
JC Edralin:
soldiers going out into battle..get shot down one by one...fighting for what? the usual belief in some type of justice to self. now same thing with the language in the poem. ----->go speak....get shot down with punishment ----->wait for the next comrade to go up then down

[Message #63]
candice bernardino:
so what are we suppose to discuss?

[Message #64]
Nikki Santiago:
huh... very war-like jc

[Message #65]
JC Edralin:
the use of language in this poem is more of a visual representation for me

[Message #66]
hazel levita:
ohhh

[Message #67]
Nikki Santiago:
does it hit you in spirit?

[Message #68]
Amy Lawlor:
what is the context in which the narrator removed from his language?

[Message #69]
JC Edralin:
hmmm

[Message #70]
candice bernardino:
hmmm

[Message #71]
Nikki Santiago:
hmmm

[Message #72]
Nikki Santiago:
i'm a dork i don't understand the question

[Message #73]
hazel levita:
hehe

[Message #74]
JC Edralin:
prof. lawlor- could you be more clear on the question

[Message #75]
Nikki Santiago:
sorry guys i'm esl

[Message #76]
Amy Lawlor:
In terms of context, I'm asking you what the situation was surrounding his incident with his teacher.  For instance, where are they? What kind of school?  Who was the priest?  When does this story take place?

[Message #77]
JC Edralin:
got u

[Message #78]
Kristina Gregorio:
is it reallu bad luck to put your purse on the floor? (random thought)

[Message #79]
JC Edralin:
talked to his classmate in tagalog, (already knowing that it was a rule in class not to speak in tongue), got caught by a teacher and sent to be punished(symbolic of what happens to the rest of you if you get caught)

[Message #80]
JC Edralin:
even within the punishment there is punishment again

[Message #81]
Nikki Santiago:
english is my second language... i grew up in the philippines, like the author i went to cathartic school for most of my life... and yes the nuns imposed english on us... why?  becuase they said no matter how much of an educated, and intelligent person you are, if you are put in situations where you have to speak to person of foreign tongue, a person with my intelligence could still be perceived as someone who is maeducated, dumb, and illiterate

[Message #82]
JC Edralin:
there is a sense of humiliation in this poem

[Message #83]
hazel levita:
but he wasnt in the classroom

[Message #84]
hazel levita:
he was in the bathroom

[Message #85]
JC Edralin:
but the bathroom was another part

[Message #86]
hazel levita:
huh?

[Message #87]
JC Edralin:
they're just telling stories seperate from "someone else's turn"

[Message #88]
Nikki Santiago:
yeah... but in any case they were in the philippines why shouldn't they be taught to pseak the native tongue?

[Message #89]
Nikki Santiago:
why shouldn't they be encouraged to embrace their mother tongue, thier language, thier culture?

[Message #90]
JC Edralin:
because of the comformity of religion

[Message #91]
Nikki Santiago:
no i don't think religion has anything to do with the practice of another language, but it definitely encourages the idea that tagalog or any other local dialect is illiterate

[Message #92]
hazel levita:
i dont think its religion, because if it was then it would be in spanish, they are the ones who educated the filipinos about religion

[Message #93]
hazel levita:
in my opinion its just some way of control over the people

[Message #94]
JC Edralin:
yeah...but back then they were trying to make a standard

[Message #95]
candice bernardino:
I think that english is encouraged because the language is spoken worldwide.

[Message #96]
JC Edralin:
standard teaching, standard rule, standard language...etc...

[Message #97]
Nikki Santiago:
no but it was the spanish friars who exercised that filipinos who didn't know how to speak in spanish and/ or english were stupid... indios... short for idiots

[Message #98]
JC Edralin:
exactly why they had to comform to THEIR standards

[Message #99]
Nikki Santiago:
now english is being taught that way... that english is the universal language, therefore, it should be taught in all schools, but why should they be punished becuase they are expressing themselves in their  grammar?