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[Message #1]
JC Edralin:
all hail fruit bats!!!
[Message #2]
Nikki Santiago:
wassup fruit bat!
[Message #3]
Amy Lawlor:
What is the importance of language in
the poem?
[Message #4]
Nikki Santiago:
so, guys who else is in here?
[Message #5]
Nikki Santiago:
is there just two of us?
[Message #6]
hazel levita:
hello
[Message #7]
JC Edralin:
i feel that the language gives the
reader a descriptive visual on what's
going on
[Message #8]
hazel levita:
my tummy's grumbling, if you hear
grumbling it's me,. hehe
[Message #9]
JC Edralin:
sweet....
[Message #10]
Nikki Santiago:
hehehe... i had mickey dees
[Message #11]
JC Edralin:
but back to the poem
[Message #12]
hazel levita:
which language is she talking about? the
diction or the whole conflict with the
language thing?
[Message #13]
JC Edralin:
the language of the poem itself
[Message #14]
JC Edralin:
wait yeah...hold up
[Message #15]
JC Edralin:
which language is prof. lawlor talking
about? is it importance of speaking your
native tongue, or language in general?
[Message #16]
hazel levita:
i dunno
[Message #17]
JC Edralin:
so i guess she said the language in the
story
[Message #18]
Nikki Santiago:
so what is the importance of language in
this poem?
[Message #19]
hazel levita:
yup,.
[Message #20]
Nikki Santiago:
do you guys speak tagalog?
[Message #21]
Nikki Santiago:
or any vernacular/dialect of the
philippines?
[Message #22]
hazel levita:
ok well i took it as they learned to
just be quiet
[Message #23]
hazel levita:
yea
[Message #24]
JC Edralin:
i feel that the language is crucial to
the poem...it is the what the poem's
souls about
[Message #25]
JC Edralin:
do je sai
[Message #26]
JC Edralin:
oh my bad....speaking cantonese
[Message #27]
hazel levita:
i used to go to montessori and they used
to make us pay wen we speak tagalog or
make us squat in a corner with our arms
up in front of us
[Message #28]
hazel levita:
what did u say?
[Message #29]
Nikki Santiago:
which montessori?
[Message #30]
Nikki Santiago:
did you go to school in the philippines?
[Message #31]
candice bernardino:
i'm in this group.. hehe finally
[Message #32]
JC Edralin:
langauge is all about change and to
comform
[Message #33]
hazel levita:
yea,. i went to mondrian montessori
[Message #34]
JC Edralin:
i mean..in relation to the poem
[Message #35]
Nikki Santiago:
do you guys think that this poem is set
in the united states? or the
philippines?
[Message #36]
Kristina Gregorio:
i'm hungry
[Message #37]
hazel levita:
philippines
[Message #38]
Nikki Santiago:
where's mondrian montessori?
[Message #39]
hazel levita:
olongapo
[Message #40]
JC Edralin:
philippines possibly, this could have
happened when the missions came and
tried to educate the people.
[Message #41]
JC Edralin:
actually nix that...goldilocks didn't
exist yet
[Message #42]
hazel levita:
no,.i think they still do this some
places
[Message #43]
Nikki Santiago:
really? my cousins used grew up in
olongapo... JC- i think you're right...
or maybe right after the japanese
invasion or sometime before that...
[Message #44]
JC Edralin:
has to be in the philippines, cause they
don't do punishment here in mainland
[Message #45]
Nikki Santiago:
true dat...
[Message #46]
hazel levita:
no actually i think there are some
schools here that still does corporal
punishment
[Message #47]
hazel levita:
they're private schools tho
[Message #48]
JC Edralin:
yeah...but it's more controlled though
[Message #49]
hazel levita:
true
[Message #50]
JC Edralin:
don't get a chalk eraser thrown at your
face.
[Message #51]
Nikki Santiago:
i think it's pretty recent... i don't
suppose the "brothers" were speaking to
each other in spanish...
[Message #52]
JC Edralin:
yeah.. probable
[Message #53]
JC Edralin:
Jacinto is kinda counting-off though
[Message #54]
hazel levita:
i dunno,. i saw this some sort of
oppression where if you cant speak
english then just dont say anything at
all
[Message #55]
hazel levita:
huh?
[Message #56]
JC Edralin:
picture it like this.
[Message #57]
Nikki Santiago:
what do you mean jc?
[Message #58]
candice bernardino:
hello
[Message #59]
candice bernardino:
hi
[Message #60]
candice bernardino:
hi
[Message #61]
candice bernardino:
hi
[Message #62]
JC Edralin:
soldiers going out into battle..get shot
down one by one...fighting for what? the
usual belief in some type of justice to
self. now same thing with the language
in the poem. ----->go speak....get shot
down with punishment ----->wait for the
next comrade to go up then down
[Message #63]
candice bernardino:
so what are we suppose to discuss?
[Message #64]
Nikki Santiago:
huh... very war-like jc
[Message #65]
JC Edralin:
the use of language in this poem is more
of a visual representation for me
[Message #66]
hazel levita:
ohhh
[Message #67]
Nikki Santiago:
does it hit you in spirit?
[Message #68]
Amy Lawlor:
what is the context in which the
narrator removed from his language?
[Message #69]
JC Edralin:
hmmm
[Message #70]
candice bernardino:
hmmm
[Message #71]
Nikki Santiago:
hmmm
[Message #72]
Nikki Santiago:
i'm a dork i don't understand the
question
[Message #73]
hazel levita:
hehe
[Message #74]
JC Edralin:
prof. lawlor- could you be more clear on
the question
[Message #75]
Nikki Santiago:
sorry guys i'm esl
[Message #76]
Amy Lawlor:
In terms of context, I'm asking you what
the situation was surrounding his
incident with his teacher. For
instance, where are they? What kind of
school? Who was the priest? When does
this story take place?
[Message #77]
JC Edralin:
got u
[Message #78]
Kristina Gregorio:
is it reallu bad luck to put your purse
on the floor? (random thought)
[Message #79]
JC Edralin:
talked to his classmate in tagalog,
(already knowing that it was a rule in
class not to speak in tongue), got
caught by a teacher and sent to be
punished(symbolic of what happens to the
rest of you if you get caught)
[Message #80]
JC Edralin:
even within the punishment there is
punishment again
[Message #81]
Nikki Santiago:
english is my second language... i grew
up in the philippines, like the author i
went to cathartic school for most of my
life... and yes the nuns imposed english
on us... why? becuase they said no
matter how much of an educated, and
intelligent person you are, if you are
put in situations where you have to
speak to person of foreign tongue, a
person with my intelligence could still
be perceived as someone who is
maeducated, dumb, and illiterate
[Message #82]
JC Edralin:
there is a sense of humiliation in this
poem
[Message #83]
hazel levita:
but he wasnt in the classroom
[Message #84]
hazel levita:
he was in the bathroom
[Message #85]
JC Edralin:
but the bathroom was another part
[Message #86]
hazel levita:
huh?
[Message #87]
JC Edralin:
they're just telling stories seperate
from "someone else's turn"
[Message #88]
Nikki Santiago:
yeah... but in any case they were in the
philippines why shouldn't they be taught
to pseak the native tongue?
[Message #89]
Nikki Santiago:
why shouldn't they be encouraged to
embrace their mother tongue, thier
language, thier culture?
[Message #90]
JC Edralin:
because of the comformity of religion
[Message #91]
Nikki Santiago:
no i don't think religion has anything
to do with the practice of another
language, but it definitely encourages
the idea that tagalog or any other local
dialect is illiterate
[Message #92]
hazel levita:
i dont think its religion, because if it
was then it would be in spanish, they
are the ones who educated the filipinos
about religion
[Message #93]
hazel levita:
in my opinion its just some way of
control over the people
[Message #94]
JC Edralin:
yeah...but back then they were trying to
make a standard
[Message #95]
candice bernardino:
I think that english is encouraged
because the language is spoken
worldwide.
[Message #96]
JC Edralin:
standard teaching, standard rule,
standard language...etc...
[Message #97]
Nikki Santiago:
no but it was the spanish friars who
exercised that filipinos who didn't know
how to speak in spanish and/ or english
were stupid... indios... short for
idiots
[Message #98]
JC Edralin:
exactly why they had to comform to THEIR
standards
[Message #99]
Nikki Santiago:
now english is being taught that way...
that english is the universal language,
therefore, it should be taught in all
schools, but why should they be punished
becuase they are expressing themselves
in their grammar?
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