02/05/04
Grapes:
in your interchange groups, report on the following:
Where specifically do you find evidence of Milagros' transformation?
Where specifically, do you find evidence of Nelda's transformation? And Victors?
What are the themes in the story? Explain.
Tomato and Mango groups: What are the themes in "Her Wild American Self"? Make sure you indicate specific places in the text to support your theme(s) + page numbers.
Grape and Pineapple groups: What are the themes in "Lectures on How You Never Lived Back Home"? Make sure you indicate specific places in the text to support your theme(s) + page numbers.
[Message #1]
Nikki Santiago:
hello eblebodee!
[Message #2]
Joanne Boston:
yoyoyo
[Message #3]
Victor Eco:
wassup
[Message #4]
Justin Junio:
good morning
[Message #5]
Nikki Santiago:
hi vic!
[Message #6]
Justin Junio:
not tomatoes
[Message #7]
Victor Eco:
i always feel like... somebody's watching meee...
[Message #8]
Joanne Boston:
haha...so what do we do now?
[Message #9]
Joanne Boston:
hey what do we do?
[Message #10]
Justin Junio:
aywan ko
[Message #11]
Justin Junio:
hindi ko alum
[Message #12]
Joanne Boston:
okay the transformation for milagros is...
[Message #13]
Joanne Boston:
pages...
[Message #14]
Justin Junio:
i saw one on pg 46
[Message #15]
Joanne Boston:
yeah i agree
[Message #16]
Justin Junio:
when she actually stood up for Nelda
[Message #17]
Joanne Boston:
then on to page 49
[Message #18]
Justin Junio:
right I got that one too
[Message #19]
Joanne Boston:
okay cool...hey vic you still alive?
[Message #20]
Justin Junio:
hold on....I'll go poke him with a stick
[Message #21]
Victor Eco:
yeah i'm alive. i'm taking notes
[Message #22]
Joanne Boston:
okay so how does she transform
[Message #23]
Victor Eco:
who?
[Message #24]
Joanne Boston:
milagros
[Message #25]
Justin Junio:
on pg 46
[Message #26]
Justin Junio:
she actually stands up for Nelda
[Message #27]
Justin Junio:
then on pg 49
[Message #28]
Joanne Boston:
okay cool
[Message #29]
Justin Junio:
she actually opens up a bit and lets Nelda see her crying
[Message #30]
Justin Junio:
and Milagros is even trying to comfort het
[Message #31]
Justin Junio:
i mean her
[Message #32]
Justin Junio:
I made a typo
[Message #33]
Justin Junio:
but yeah,....that part continues on to page 50
[Message #34]
Joanne Boston:
yes...man...this is fun...
[Message #35]
Justin Junio:
did anyone else get any different pages?
[Message #36]
Justin Junio:
or should we move on to the Legend of Nelda?
[Message #37]
Joanne Boston:
lol...yeah that's a good idea
[Message #38]
Victor Eco:
hahaha nice
[Message #39]
Joanne Boston:
for nelda...well i don't know what exact pages to specify but in the beginning nelda was one lazy ass who didn't want to do anything on saturdays because she wanted to watch cartoons...
[Message #40]
Joanne Boston:
but when milagros came they began to do more chores together and that somewhat changed her lifestyle from one of a more american one to more of the old-fashioned one that the native filipinos had...like cleaning and cooking and such...
[Message #41]
Joanne Boston:
that's one subtle change
[Message #42]
Justin Junio:
yeah,....and I could relate,....Saved By the Bell and ninja Turtles used to have a grip on me
[Message #43]
Joanne Boston:
haha...full house...that show rocked...hahaha
[Message #44]
Justin Junio:
Can't forget about Urkel now
[Message #45]
Justin Junio:
You know Family Matters had you doin the "Urkel Dance"
[Message #46]
Joanne Boston:
hahha urkel was on full house the other night...hahaha...
[Message #47]
Justin Junio:
wha?
[Message #48]
Victor Eco:
i'm not sure but i think i remember that
[Message #49]
Justin Junio:
ah man,...what a tangent we just hit....
[Message #50]
Joanne Boston:
okay dokes...
[Message #51]
Joanne Boston:
but nelda changed as the story went on
[Message #52]
Justin Junio:
Anyway the thing that you were saying Joanne,...you could see clear evidence of it on pg 44
[Message #53]
Joanne Boston:
like she understood more of how milagros felt
[Message #54]
Justin Junio:
right
[Message #55]
Justin Junio:
yup
[Message #56]
Joanne Boston:
okay
[Message #57]
Joanne Boston:
so vic what do you think of uncle vic?
[Message #58]
Victor Eco:
well he went from being a famous lawyer in the philippines to having no job in the US not even in retail or anything
[Message #59]
Justin Junio:
I think he had a lot of pride to swallow to be a busboy
[Message #60]
Dominic Manuel:
everybody cough at the same time
[Message #61]
Dominic Manuel:
1
[Message #62]
Dominic Manuel:
2
[Message #63]
Dominic Manuel:
3
[Message #64]
Justin Junio:
putanginang Dom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Message #65]
Joanne Boston:
yeah
[Message #66]
Joanne Boston:
who is dominic?
[Message #67]
Joanne Boston:
hahaha hi dominic how you doin
[Message #68]
Justin Junio:
that dude next to me coughin
[Message #69]
Victor Eco:
oh yeah, the page of the lawyer thing is 33 i think, nope it's 36
[Message #70]
Joanne Boston:
okay for the transformation for victor
[Message #71]
Dominic Manuel:
cooh
[Message #72]
Dominic Manuel:
how r u
[Message #73]
Joanne Boston:
very good thank you
[Message #74]
Justin Junio:
ey,....you guys didn't talk to me when I went to your room!
[Message #75]
Joanne Boston:
but you see a drastic change in victor from when he first arrived
[Message #76]
Joanne Boston:
he was the one who had high hopes
[Message #77]
Victor Eco:
in this chat room?
[Message #78]
Justin Junio:
yeah that's a definite
[Message #79]
Joanne Boston:
who had the most charisma in the family and then on pages 48 and on...he just reached a low...
[Message #80]
Justin Junio:
but also,...i think that for the most part, some of them had to experience an element of culture shock
[Message #81]
Justin Junio:
and it seems that their transformations are corallary to some of that shock
[Message #82]
Joanne Boston:
yeah i think milagros, nelda and victor all experienced that
[Message #83]
Justin Junio:
that could actually be an underlying theme
[Message #84]
Joanne Boston:
because when milagros and her sisters were dancing...nelda was kinda i guess left out because she didn't know how to hula and she was jealous because all the attention that used to go to her went on to milagros's family
[Message #85]
Justin Junio:
and how they all had to change
[Message #86]
Joanne Boston:
yeah
[Message #87]
Joanne Boston:
i think pride is another issue
[Message #88]
Joanne Boston:
and honesty
[Message #89]
Justin Junio:
I believe it was Darwin who said on the subject of evolution, " it is not the strongest who survive, nor even the smartest, but the organisms who adapt better to change."
[Message #90]
Justin Junio:
yes pride is an issue as well
[Message #91]
Joanne Boston:
yes...haha
[Message #92]
Justin Junio:
what specifically Joanne?
[Message #93]
Joanne Boston:
specifically what Justin?
[Message #94]
Joanne Boston:
like where the pride and the honesty come into play?
[Message #95]
Joanne Boston:
with victor...
[Message #96]
Victor Eco:
damn, i need a "J" name
[Message #97]
Justin Junio:
hahahaha
[Message #98]
Joanne Boston:
when he came to the US he was hella down to find a job and he knew that he would not find a job like the one he had back in PI
[Message #99]
Justin Junio:
Jictor
[Message #100]
Justin Junio:
yeah and he lied to his family because of his pride
[Message #101]
Justin Junio:
not the Pilgrim's kind of pride
[Message #102]
Joanne Boston:
so when he did finally get a job he told his family that the company that he was working for a lawyer job
[Message #103]
Justin Junio:
but the kind that doesn't let you tell the truth
[Message #104]
Joanne Boston:
when in actuality he was bussin them tables...
[Message #105]
Joanne Boston:
yes...
[Message #106]
Justin Junio:
yup,...white napkin and all
[Message #107]
Justin Junio:
that would suck if you really put yourself in his place
[Message #108]
Joanne Boston:
he's a lawyer in the PI right?
[Message #109]
Justin Junio:
yes
[Message #110]
Victor Eco:
a famous one
[Message #111]
Joanne Boston:
okay dokes
[Message #112]
Justin Junio:
he worked with Ally Mcbeal Santiago
[Message #113]
Victor Eco:
hahaha
[Message #114]
Joanne Boston:
hahaha
[Message #115]
Joanne Boston:
who's ally mcbeal santiago
[Message #116]
Joanne Boston:
nikki wants to know
[Message #117]
Joanne Boston:
LOL
[Message #118]
Joanne Boston:
but yes i think we got this story covered
[Message #119]
Victor Eco:
nikki's cousin
[Message #120]
Justin Junio:
You know,...that skinny filipino lawyer who keeps having man problems
[Message #121]
Joanne Boston:
our conversation is pretty damn funny
[Message #122]
Justin Junio:
I'm sorry guys,...I didn't get to read Her Wild American Self
[Message #123]
Justin Junio:
you guys can palo me if you want
[Message #124]
Justin Junio:
well not you Victor
[Message #125]
Justin Junio:
actually,...nah,....please don't hit me
[Message #126]
Victor Eco:
i didn't read either. sorry guys
[Message #127]
Joanne Boston:
it's cool justin...the lectures story is short you can read it now and we can discuss in a bit
[Message #128]
Justin Junio:
awrite
[Message #129]
Victor Eco:
i'm hungry hehehe
[Message #130]
Joanne Boston:
so what do you guys think?
[Message #131]
Victor Eco:
so, the story is about a first generation filipino dealing with the differences of being born in the US compared to in the PI?
[Message #132]
Joanne Boston:
well one theme i found in the story is self-reflection keeping in mind the expectations others had on her...one coming from the filipino side of her and the american side of her
[Message #133]
Victor Eco:
???
[Message #134]
Joanne Boston:
yeah that context in the beginning is written to show how life was different for her ancestors and her parents
[Message #135]
Justin Junio:
Augustina is a weird person
[Message #136]
Joanne Boston:
but since she is born in american life is different
[Message #137]
Joanne Boston:
america*
[Message #138]
Joanne Boston:
i can relate because i'm in her shoes kinda except i'm not 25
[Message #139]
Justin Junio:
I see your friend looking at friendster!
[Message #140]
Joanne Boston:
who is?
[Message #141]
Justin Junio:
or she was,...the one on your left
[Message #142]
Justin Junio:
tell her to add me
[Message #143]
Justin Junio:
Jaeboiyeeee
[Message #144]
Joanne Boston:
but yeah...even though she is living in america...her parents still kinda want her to live in kind of the same way they did...come home early...act lady-like...be respectful...
[Message #145]
Joanne Boston:
but in america she is kind of a rebel...defying everything her parents told her...
[Message #146]
Justin Junio:
yeah,....and it's like that around her for those who just got here, and even second generation filipinos here
[Message #147]
Justin Junio:
how do you make filipino plural?
[Message #148]
Victor Eco:
so this girl is trying to find her identity since she doesn't really belong with filipinos or americans?
[Message #149]
Justin Junio:
is there an e?
[Message #150]
Joanne Boston:
no e...
[Message #151]
Justin Junio:
like in tomatoes?
[Message #152]
Justin Junio:
oh okae,....thanks,....I didn't wanna get that wrong
[Message #153]
Victor Eco:
cuz i read on page 85 that kids at school said she's no different from any other oriental girl and her aunts and uncles said she's turning into a "bratty americana"
[Message #154]
Victor Eco:
so to me one of the themes is identity
[Message #155]
Justin Junio:
and I know we can all probably relate to that
[Message #156]
Justin Junio:
I don't get what relevance it has to the story that she was dancing among tombs and stuff though
[Message #157]
Justin Junio:
bye guys
[Message #158]
Joanne Boston:
bye
[Message #159]
Victor Eco:
peace out homies
[Message #160]
Amy Lawlor:
end 02/05